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Dec 13 2011, 10:42 AM Post #31 |
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What if Vegeta was the main character and what if he gained all crazy power level boosts,IT,SSJ3 at least him getting stronger is more reasonable and realistic than Goku getting stronger Would have been cool to see Vegeta's REAL power shown,not just to put him down so Goku/Gohan can beat all the main villains just because they are main protagonists ![]() |
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| Mihawk | Dec 13 2011, 06:32 PM Post #32 |
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You just proved the point yourself. The guides are made by fans and fans fall under "anyone". |
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Dec 13 2011, 08:32 PM Post #33 |
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anyone what? you lost me.... all im saying is, in the anime and manga goku was amazed vegeta had improved so much on his own. That right there tells me goku KNEW he was stronger than vegeta. hes at a level where he can see ALL up inside of you, and know where you are. The only real thing vegeta matched was his fighting skills, he improved a great deal, mad props to him, but believing he could beat goku was just crazy. His power boost shouldnt make things exactly equal, it would impossible, but even so? he was still straining, IMO the only difference between transformations is having power. Goku had it, vegeta didnt, Pretty simple. I know rooting for vegeta is the "cool" thing to do, but he certainly didnt have gokus level of power, his progression without the majin charm proves it. Vegeta at his current level is weaker than kid gohan, he was angry gohan let all that power go to waste. With the majin charm it just made it so he could do what goku ALREADY can do. Goku lowered his pl to fight him. So they make the fight just about even. Illstand: a fan made those guides, but like the others they are just guesstimations, and i dont want to sound like i know this for sure, but it sounds to me like the seg guides MADE those pl's so people could have fun and let their imagination fly with the wind. Thats cool if you are card or role playing. But if you want to get serious about this and use LOGIC to figure out how strong they were? then you cant make up what you feel is right, it HAS to be spot on. What we REALLY know is that goku and vegeta were stronger than kid gohan's ssj2 when they fought, thats it. Did that make them even? Only when goku admitted vegetas fighting skills went up and he was matching him move for move. Goku said, ok im giving it all i got vegeta. KP you said he wasnt lying, that right there is a lie. If goku really gave it his ALL he had then why didnt vegeta discover his form until later? how come vegeta couldnt SENSE gokus inner power? exactly, goku was on a level vegeta couldnt imagine, and didnt even know it. I know, going ssj3 would have taken time and given power, but CONSIDERING that....despite his misgivings they FREED majin buu anyways at ssj2 level, so....goku didnt go ssj3 cause it wasnt necessary, goku didnt go all out on vegeta as he knew he needed both TIME and SPACE to prepare for the true battle. Just saying...He stopped the fight TWICE because he could sense majin buu rising. he did it for saiyan pride, pretty much it, goku lied through his teeth. |
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| Mihawk | Dec 13 2011, 08:40 PM Post #34 |
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You said that anyone that watches the anime and the manga would know that Goku had an edge. Obviously not true, since all fan made guides I've read have them exactly equal. A canon manga statement overrides all of your red herrings. Goku said they were just about even, and there's no way to dispute that. Goku is stronger than Vegeta, and he did better training than Vegeta and got stronger than Vegeta. But in the fight they were equals exactly and there isn't a single statement in the manga that ever says they are not equal in the manga. So this has nothing to do with Goku being stronger than Vegeta which he is as you try to draw out bias, it has to do with the fight that they were equals in since not a single statement or action supports otherwise. |
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| + Pyrus | Dec 14 2011, 03:38 AM Post #35 |
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Right, Goku lied and never revealed this lie to Vegeta, and Toriyama never revealed it to the audience even when he revealed Goku was holding back an entire other form. That makes sense. Goku and Vegeta were equal. No amount of theorizing will take that away. Four uncontradicted statements overrides all of that. And I have to chuckle at "guides made by fans". That's downright ignorant and shows just what people know about the guidebooks. It's a great reason I can't take this debate seriously anymore. I've said my piece and people know where I stand, so unless someone goes out of line, I think I'm done here.
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Dec 14 2011, 09:06 AM Post #36 |
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Why would Goku hold back? Vegeta was 100% evil as a Majin, he wouldn't hold back, Goku was indeed 'Holding Back' in sence of his form, but he maxed out his SS2 form, so he wasn't holding anything back in sence of power, if he turned SS3 in their fight, it probably would have killed him. |
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Dec 14 2011, 09:48 AM Post #37 |
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Ninjajp is Vegeta hater and Goku fanboy,and you can't discuss something reasonably with fanboys Whether you like it or not,Majin Vegeta and SSJ2 Goku were completely equal at that time,stated by Goku and seen in their fight |
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Dec 14 2011, 12:18 PM Post #38 |
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I'm a Vegeta fan Edited by GrooseStrikesBack, Dec 14 2011, 12:46 PM.
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| + Pyrus | Dec 14 2011, 12:25 PM Post #39 |
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There's a difference between fan and fanboy. |
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Dec 14 2011, 12:34 PM Post #40 |
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What's the difference then? |
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| + Pyrus | Dec 14 2011, 12:41 PM Post #41 |
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When you're a fan, you stick up for your favorite character but you admit their faults and when they're outmatched. When you're a fanboy, you twist everything, pull idiotic things out of your *****, don't listen to logic, and never admit when your favorite character is beaten or just isn't the best. Edited by Pyrus, Dec 14 2011, 12:41 PM.
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Dec 14 2011, 12:49 PM Post #42 |
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It sounds like most of the people in this world are God fanboys. I am not a Vegeta fanboy then... |
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It's a great reason I can't take this debate seriously anymore. I've said my piece and people know where I stand, so unless someone goes out of line, I think I'm done here.


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